As a strong devout Catholic mom and mother of three boys BORN through embryo adoption, my heart aches to think of thawing embryos and baptizing….never giving them the full chance at life. We cannot lump the sheer amount of embryos (lives) into one problem to be solved. The second each of these embryos came into being and God breathed life into them He had a plan for them. He knew their parents. He knew the time they would be born into this world as a fully developed baby. One day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day.
I cannot imagine this world without my three boys. I know God has destined them each for this time and their lives will give Him glory.
To have been thawed and baptized and never given a chance at life would be like a baby aborted. Once a life is created, God has a plan and purpose for it.
It is not our place to determine their outcome but rather give them the best possible chance at life and let God determine their destiny.
Not all embryos transferred into my womb have been born but they have been given a chance at life and God was the true author of their lives.
I do not agree with IVF, just like I do not agree with rape but through both a life was created. One precious beautiful life.
God can redeem what is broken.
The thought of my babies not being here just because there was “too many embryos to know what to do with” breaks my heart.
God has a plan for every single one of them and we have to believe in His sovereignty over them.
Look at these three boys as children and not as embryos.
Through discernment, I believe I was not able to conceive naturally because God had destined these boys to be ours. To save my womb for them. Their lives matter and He had a plan for them!
The issue isn't parents trying to conceive but how they go about it, for one it cuts the conjugal act out of the equation and reduces conception to a laboratory process, basically commodifying children. What's more distressing though is the fact that since multiple embryos have to be created for better odds of finding a viable one, the rest are being discarded(aborted) or experimented on for research. You could argue IVF is just mass abortion. This is a very shortened response but I highly suggest you listen to Joe Heschmeyer's breakdown of it on Shameless Popery https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/shameless-popery/id1655970197?i=1000664038358
Most people don't understand the processes of IVF, so that they really aren't making an informed choice when they use this method.
First of all, The IVF and AI technologies are reducing the diversity which is naturally supplied by sexual recombination. This is because there are hyper donors, and privacy rules are shielding just how many progeny they are causing. Inbreeding becomes much more likely as a result.
Next, the method of introducing the sperm into the oocyte is circumventing the chemical selection processes which prevent unsuitable sperm from entering. In natural circumstances, the egg "chooses" the sperm. The result of this is already partially known. IVF babies need more medical care than naturally concieved babies overall. Humans are becoming a weaker species on account of artificial reproduction technologies.
Sadly, some couples are entirely mismatched, and circumventing the mismatch artificially has created unsustainable medical usage and expense.
Of course there are people who would feel nothing from "correcting" the mismatch by killing the artificially produced progeny. IVF necessarily involves massive killing and commoditization of human embryos and fetuses.
(Certain affected biological drugs will continue to fail as long as this commoditization continues, costing more lives. This is because they are developed or produced using the tissue from the killed human organisms. Consider the prion diseases for 1 example.)
Domestic livestock have been adversely affected by IVF. More homogeneity and less disease resistance are the results. Breeding stock, most particularly are degenerating on account of being created in this manner.
A careful observer will notice that there are reasons for various religious restrictions.
It's interesting that so many of these reasons have been elucidated mechanistically, long after the restrictions were placed.
I've been saying this about IVF and being ridiculed and told that I'm a judgemental 🫏 & worse ever since I was a undergrad student.
I'm💔heartbroken that a woman in distress chooses to abort her child; I cry for her, the child, & the child's father. As far as IVF goes I feel an overwhelmingly deep & abysmal sadnes!
“We always come back to the heart” she said. How can we so publicly condemn IVF without prefacing how many people pursue it in a MORAL way. My husband and I created 6 embryos and transferred all 6 in my own womb. We only pursued IVF because of a medical sterilization procedure I had done beforehand. There has to be nuance to this. Of course there are many immoral uses of IVF, but plenty of moral cases and both have to be addressed.
As a strong devout Catholic mom and mother of three boys BORN through embryo adoption, my heart aches to think of thawing embryos and baptizing….never giving them the full chance at life. We cannot lump the sheer amount of embryos (lives) into one problem to be solved. The second each of these embryos came into being and God breathed life into them He had a plan for them. He knew their parents. He knew the time they would be born into this world as a fully developed baby. One day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day.
I cannot imagine this world without my three boys. I know God has destined them each for this time and their lives will give Him glory.
To have been thawed and baptized and never given a chance at life would be like a baby aborted. Once a life is created, God has a plan and purpose for it.
It is not our place to determine their outcome but rather give them the best possible chance at life and let God determine their destiny.
Not all embryos transferred into my womb have been born but they have been given a chance at life and God was the true author of their lives.
I do not agree with IVF, just like I do not agree with rape but through both a life was created. One precious beautiful life.
God can redeem what is broken.
The thought of my babies not being here just because there was “too many embryos to know what to do with” breaks my heart.
God has a plan for every single one of them and we have to believe in His sovereignty over them.
Look at these three boys as children and not as embryos.
Through discernment, I believe I was not able to conceive naturally because God had destined these boys to be ours. To save my womb for them. Their lives matter and He had a plan for them!
Have not listened, but I agree with that statement!! So many points of moral collapse in the IVF process.
Why does parents trying to conceive children concern you?
The issue isn't parents trying to conceive but how they go about it, for one it cuts the conjugal act out of the equation and reduces conception to a laboratory process, basically commodifying children. What's more distressing though is the fact that since multiple embryos have to be created for better odds of finding a viable one, the rest are being discarded(aborted) or experimented on for research. You could argue IVF is just mass abortion. This is a very shortened response but I highly suggest you listen to Joe Heschmeyer's breakdown of it on Shameless Popery https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/shameless-popery/id1655970197?i=1000664038358
Multiple embryos don’t “have” to be created for a viable one. The couple makes that decision, though costly.
Most people don't understand the processes of IVF, so that they really aren't making an informed choice when they use this method.
First of all, The IVF and AI technologies are reducing the diversity which is naturally supplied by sexual recombination. This is because there are hyper donors, and privacy rules are shielding just how many progeny they are causing. Inbreeding becomes much more likely as a result.
Next, the method of introducing the sperm into the oocyte is circumventing the chemical selection processes which prevent unsuitable sperm from entering. In natural circumstances, the egg "chooses" the sperm. The result of this is already partially known. IVF babies need more medical care than naturally concieved babies overall. Humans are becoming a weaker species on account of artificial reproduction technologies.
Sadly, some couples are entirely mismatched, and circumventing the mismatch artificially has created unsustainable medical usage and expense.
Of course there are people who would feel nothing from "correcting" the mismatch by killing the artificially produced progeny. IVF necessarily involves massive killing and commoditization of human embryos and fetuses.
(Certain affected biological drugs will continue to fail as long as this commoditization continues, costing more lives. This is because they are developed or produced using the tissue from the killed human organisms. Consider the prion diseases for 1 example.)
Domestic livestock have been adversely affected by IVF. More homogeneity and less disease resistance are the results. Breeding stock, most particularly are degenerating on account of being created in this manner.
A careful observer will notice that there are reasons for various religious restrictions.
It's interesting that so many of these reasons have been elucidated mechanistically, long after the restrictions were placed.
Because he hasn't been programmed with a livestock morality like yourself.
I've been saying this about IVF and being ridiculed and told that I'm a judgemental 🫏 & worse ever since I was a undergrad student.
I'm💔heartbroken that a woman in distress chooses to abort her child; I cry for her, the child, & the child's father. As far as IVF goes I feel an overwhelmingly deep & abysmal sadnes!
“We always come back to the heart” she said. How can we so publicly condemn IVF without prefacing how many people pursue it in a MORAL way. My husband and I created 6 embryos and transferred all 6 in my own womb. We only pursued IVF because of a medical sterilization procedure I had done beforehand. There has to be nuance to this. Of course there are many immoral uses of IVF, but plenty of moral cases and both have to be addressed.
God bless Stephanie. Love you sister!
is this full episode available!?
Hey, thanks. Like I said in the post it releases tonight at 7 PM. https://youtu.be/I9nUbVbebq4?si=ullNZ_26VTCBFu91